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10/03/02

I have received several emails concerning the case of argyria just reported regarding Stan Jones and his use of homemade colloidal silver (CS). Argyria is a graying or bluing of the skin due to silver deposits in the skin and other body tissues, caused by excessive silver intake or accidental exposure to elemental silver. This discoloration is typically first noticed in finger-beds and gums. In most cases it is not harmful but can be permanent.

I will discuss his case and two others I am aware of on this page.

Below is a brief excerpt from the recent AP news release about Stan Jones and his argyria:

Montana's Libertarian candidate for Senate has turned blue from drinking a silver solution that he believed would protect him from disease.

Stan Jones, a 63-year-old business consultant and part-time college instructor, said he started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics.

He made his own concoction by electrically charging a couple of silver wires in a glass of water.

Here is my response to this report. I refer a couple other cases, one, presumably resulting from use of a silver nitrate prescription, and a case below (also referred to on another page of mine) regarding homemade CS processed with saline (salt).

A few months ago, a woman wrote me. She took her own homemade colloidal silver 1-2 GLASSFULS daily for SIX years and got argyria (a bronze appearance in her case). I learned from another person who corresponded with her that she used saline (salt solution) to process it. (No wonder she could make it that fast in those quantities!) I don't recommend the quantity she took, or making CS with salt.

I very recently revised my website to make this clearer, crossing out in addition to my already present comments refuting use of salt in the process. I was not aware of this report about Stan at the time I edited it. It was less than 24 hours later that I saw this report of Stan Jones. The method he used to make colloidal silver  is very common. Two pure (not sterling) silver wires are placed into a glass of water and are electrified by 27 volts DC battery power, one connected to the neg. post, the other to the positive by wire or alligator clips. The directions are available through many sources. Unfortunately, people are often ill-advised to use sea salt or saline or even table salt as an additive to the water to "enhance" the process (speed it up.) Another mistake is to use any water other than high quality distilled water such as drinking water.

The problem is that presence of salt produces a large silver salt particles such as silver chloride in addition to making fine particle CS. Apparently, silver salts, not the fine-particle colloidal silver is what can cause argyria. Otherwise, there would be far more cases of this type of argyria being reported. Indeed, more reports may surface since the release of the AP article. However, to think about or review this concern critically, we must have all the facts. Was a salt or non-distilled water used in the process? How much of the product was consumed? Was it in fact CS or a silver salt compound such as silver nitrate or silver chloride that was consumed?

This is the same unanswered question regarding Rosemary Jacobs, the infamous "blue lady" who took prescription silver nasal drops for allergies before antibiotics became the treatment of choice. Though silver nitrates were the prescription silver drug used at that time, she insists that it may have been a colloidal silver she took. She fails to distinguish between the two, succeeding in confusing others that they are one and the same thing. By definition, a colloid a very tiny, electrically charged particle, not a large salt compound.

That's not to say that other people, even salespeople, are calling other products CS when they are something else. For example, protein silver products include particles too large to be called colloids. That's why they need to be suspended in protein. Also, ground silver is not colloidal silver. If it is not small enough that it is held in suspension by electrical charge, it is not a colloid. It is simply elemental silver. (Another thing she confuses; all silver is metallic; silver is a metal. She implies silver has non-metallic as well as metallic forms.)

Silver salts are typically  prescribed mostly  topically although silver salts were used in cough drops in the past. Concentrations were/are 3-10% or more, In other words, 3 parts per 100 to 10 parts per 100. There is no documented particle size I am aware of, though it far exceeds that of colloids.

This is an enormous difference from colloidal silver at 5-30 parts per million (ppm). That concentration is 0.0003-0.001%, not to mention the particles themselves are minute in size.

I have a lot of respect for Rosemary as she tries not to speak beyond what she understands. However, she looks at the issue far too simplistically. Example (in blue): She answers this question; her response follows:

Couldn't argyria be caused by the other things that were contained in the old silver medications like the nitrates, salts and proteins?

Promoters tell me this all the time. The only thing in the bottle that they haven't blamed yet besides the silver is the water. I respond that cirrhosis of the liver is not caused by grapes, barley or grains. It is caused by alcohol, the substance that all the beverages known to cause it have in common and which the other ingredients used alone have never been known to cause.

Likewise, argyria is caused by silver. The thing that all the drugs that have caused argyria have in common is silver. It is silver that is found in our skin not the nitrates or the protein binders.

Yes, argyria is caused by silver. However, the problem with Rosemary's argument is that it does not address the fact that

1)particle size and/or quantity does make a difference.

Using her rationale, we eat pepper in small quantities sprinkled on our food. This does not bother most of us. Most of us would do some serious damage to our GI tract and/or other body parts if we ate it in big hunks. Same with alcohol, salt, any ordinary vitamin or mineral substance. Examples:  calcium, vitamin C, Vitamins A, D, E, and metals such as iron, potassium and magnesium. Do we right off all these things as dangerous? Not when used in moderation. (Some in fact are essential to our health.)

Likewise, if colloidal silver is indeed safe to consume in small quantities similar to what silver we get in our daily food and drink, that does not mean it is safe to consume  pure silver in larger quantities such as is the custom in India. (Puddings are topped with silver foil that is eaten!) Another example: gold is used in some arthritis prescriptions, but consuming pure gold in visible quantities is dangerous; it is a heavy metal.

2)elemental silver (pure silver) is NOT the same material as silver chloride, silver nitrate, etc. Thus it will have different properties in each different form.

It is safe for most of us to consume moderate amounts of sodium chloride (common table salt, or NaCl. But if we were to consume just sodium, or just chloride, the results would be deadly. Rat poison is said to be 99% pure food. But when combined with 1% arsenic or other poison, it is unsafe to eat. So do we say that all food is poisonous because it is the common ingredient in rat poisons, regardless of the brand or what the other 1% ingredient is? Also, what if it were only 0.0003% arsenic? Would it be safe to eat? Some people eat apple and grape seeds with arsenic routinely do not get sick.

I wholeheartedly agree with Ms. Jacobs that colloidal silver needs to be studied in order to provide evidence of its safety or danger and its benefit or lack thereof. I also agree that many of us are being our own "guinea pigs" in trying to figure this out. I appreciate the freedom we have in the U.S. to do just that. I can not agree without proof that PURE colloidal silver used in modest amounts can cause the same (or any) damage as silver salts and raw elemental silver have been proven to do.

Back to Jones now...

First:

I do not know if Jones made and consumed pure colloidal silver (CS) or CS tainted with silver compounds (salts), but this is what I suspect. Many people still use salt to make their CS. I used to as this was a very common method circulating around in the mid to late 1990's. After learning more about it, I only used a pinch of baking soda to make an initial batch of colloidal silver (low voltage generator) for starter if I did not already have some CS for starter on hand. Then I'd take about an ounce of the "starter" to speed up the process rather than to use salt or more baking soda all the time. Today I use an HVAC (high voltage) commercial grade unit and never use any additives. I would advise against any use except to make a little starter CS as described above.

Second:

I don't know if he used high quality distilled water or some other mineral-laden water that would cause formation of salts in addition to colloidal silver. The article just says "water". I assume it was potable water, but it is too vague for me to assume whether or not he used drinking water, sterile water, pond water, spring water, distilled water or what.

ADDENDUM 10/5/2002
Although I can not trace this source for accuracy, here's a link regarding someone who apparently asked Jones about how he made his colloidal silver (with commentary): http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m52348.html.

In summary, I don't know what the guy from Montana used. I strongly suspect he either used a salt in the process, and/or  took large quantities of highly concentrated CS or CS of poor quality (large particle or containing some other salts of some kind, i.e., made with tap water or well water instead of steam distilled water.)

Personally, I only use CS "as needed" i.e., if I've been exposed to something or I feel out of sorts. I do not take it daily, and I only use between a tsp. and an ounce (three tablespoons) once or twice daily depending on the strength of the CS. The highest ppm I have knowingly used was about 30 parts per million (ppm), but on average, it was 5-20 ppm. I did take it pretty regularly for Lyme disease several years ago over a two year period, but since I recovered, I chose to be more conservative in using it.

The bottom line: If you make colloidal silver, don't use additives of any sort, and use high quality distilled water, not tap or bottled drinking water which are both loaded with other elements and minerals that could cause silver salts to form in your product. If you buy colloidal silver, make sure what's in it and what it's concentration is. Only purchase from a reputable source.

Any use of colloidal silver by you is at your own risk.

An interesting verse to ponder...

Psalm 105:37  

He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and [there was] not one feeble [person] among their tribes.